Using Your Gun For Protection


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Updated: 11/01/2010 10:18 pm Published: 11/01/2010 9:42 pm


A Good Samaritan has his own gun used against him.

Mark Miller, 53, tried to stop a burglar tried at a neighbor’s house but it wouldn’t have turned out worse.

The accused burglar is 41-year-old Joe Edward Nevels.

FOX23’s Abbie Alford explains what police believe happened and the importance of training with the gun.

Tulsa police say Miller called his neighbor about the alarm. Armed with a gun he walked over to her home and confronted the thief.

Moments later neighbors say they heard gunshots but it was Miller who died.

Yellow crime scene tape stretches across the Midtown townhomes, police question witnesses and a teenager who saw the murder. It was also another neighbor who last saw Miller alive.

"He walked to edge and he saw something and pointed down and he ran off," says Miller’s neighbor Karen Heck. “Once I was heading to my house I heard the gunshot."

Police do not how the burglar got the gun away from Miller but believe the two got in a scuffle in the townhome garage parking lot and the gun was used against Miller.

"I wish he would have waited for police but he was trying to help and tried to help stop the person," says Miller’s neighbor Linda Larson.

However, Mike Seeklander, a self-defense expert with the US Shooting Academy says even if you’re armed with a gun a criminal can get dangerously close.

"They are trying to use that gun to intimidate and what we see a lot of times in close rang the gun gets taken away," says Mike Seeklander the Academy’s Training Director.

He stresses the importance of knowing how to defend yourself without using gun.

He references an exercise he uses when teaching students how to defend themselves in a non-lethal manner.

"Right now I am dealing with a fight with my hands, my personal striking weapons and knees,” says Seeklander.

Keeping the attacker away from you and your weapon training with a gun is essential.

"If you do something [train] under stress your brain for whatever reason grabs a hold of that particular technique or that pathway,” says Seeklander.

Because guns may give a person a false sense of confidence.

"I think people get guns because it satisfies what they believe to be their perceived need for self defense and it stops there," says Seeklander.

Meantime, along the Midtown street are mourning the loss of a man who was willing to stop at nothing to protect his neighbor.

“He was trying to help because a lot of us we look out for each other," says Larson.

Police recommend that you leave the crimefighting to officers.

Also, if you have a gun for protection you should always practice using the gun.

A spokesperson for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations says she cannot release whether or not Miller had a concealed carry license.

Nevels was still in the hospital being treated for lacerations. Police say once released will be taken into custody at the Tulsa County Jail.


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watchdog1 - 11/5/2010 3:05 PM
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theaton is correct, however, even with the Castle Doctrine you can still be prosecuted, same with the Make My Day Law, although it does allow you to protect yourself and your property, it does not absolutely protect you from prosecution for homicide or assault with a dangerous weapon.I totally agree that if you aren't truly prepared to fire, don't pull the weapon, pointing a gun doesn't hurt the bad guy, but it will get you killed because in most cases you are up against someone who has experience in committing crime.

theaton - 11/2/2010 1:56 PM
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Roadhunter is wrong. In Oklahoma you can use your firearm to protect property if you are in a place you are legally allowed to be. It's called a "Castle Doctrine" law and was signed into law back in 2006. The problem in this case is that many people are not prepared to shoot another human being even if that human being is a piece of trash criminal. If you are not prepared to protect your life, property or the lives of others you should not brandish a firearm.

BettyG - 11/2/2010 9:21 AM
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...Poor guy. A good case for why CCW TRAINING should be MANDATORY, not just opinionated 'self-improvement'.

mikey72 - 11/2/2010 7:43 AM
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I've been the victim of burglery 3 times and car theft, the police I respect but are worthless they don't investigate any of those crimes because no man power or funds to do such. So Kudos for looking out for your neighbors, I do such for my neighbors where I live now and they do same for me. Hopefully this man will get death penalty for such a cowardly crime as theft and taking a stand up guys life.

roadhunter - 11/2/2010 5:58 AM
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Doesn't matter if he had a CC permit or not, he was violating the law. You cannot use your gun to protect property, only your life or the life of another, unless you are inside your home. The number one rule I was taught about using my concealed handgun was this: The first indication a criminal should have that you are armed is when he sees the blast from the muzzle as the bullet heads toward his body. Doublecbob, if he'd done that, he would have been prosecuted for it. The other man would have had to have been armed. Legally, you can't use your gun to protect yourself from an unarmed person. If anyone ever pulls a gun out and says something like "Stop, or I'll shoot", there's a 99% chance they don't have the nerve to shoot. This man made a very, very stupid mistake. If he'd shot the burglar, he could have gone to jail. Let's hope other gun owners learn from this tragic lack case of poor judgment.

doublecbob - 11/2/2010 3:22 AM
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Cops are never there in time. I think he should have shot him dead when he made an offensive move.
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