Traffic Stop Etiquette


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Reported by: Abbie Alford
Updated: 6/16/2009 11:08 pm Published: 6/16/2009 10:57 pm


New questions about what happened after an Oklahoma trooper pulled over an ambulance crew last month in Okfuskee County.

The scene of the trooper with his hands up against the paramedic’s neck has gotten all the attention.

FOX23's Abbie Alford takes a look at what happened before the confrontation got heated.

In the infamous traffic stop between an OHP trooper and an EMS crew, the dash cam video shows a trooper ordering the driver to get out of the ambulance.

The trooper’s attorney says there was nothing wrong with his stern approach.

However, Tulsa Police say they try to approach things differently.

Tulsa Traffic Officer Paul Downe says respect for the motorist is part of it but caution is even more important.

Typically, drivers are not asked to leave their car.

"We don't know who were stopping. Could be a good guy could be a bad guy," says Downe.

Police say it’s the bad guys, people who they believe are criminal suspects, are ordered out of the car.

"Let’s say your car matches a description of an armed robber. The officers are not going to approach the car. They're going to stop, they're going to tell you to put your hands out the window, step out of the car. My suggestion if you get in that position. Do what the officers asks you to do," says Downe.

Officers may also take extra precautions if a driver does something to make them suspicious.

"We don't want people digging through their glove box or reaching in their purse until we get up to the car,” says Downe.


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un hunh - 6/21/2009 9:52 AM
Make them both apologize to each other in public and shake hands.

firekiller92 - 6/21/2009 2:33 AM
does anyone know the troopers wife was in the cruiser with him he may have been doing some grandstanding for her like the gorillas do.myself i think he should not be allowed to patrol oklahoma streets or roads anymore. his professionalism went out the door as soon as he stepped out the car.i have never been pulled over all screamed at by the ohp i've always been addressed as sir and talked to in a calm and polite tone.there are some good troopers out there .they are not all goofballs like this guy acted .to the ohp keep up the good work and get rid of this guy who is making you guys look bad.to the ems don't forget we still need these guys in the brown uniforms they 've got our back when we need them.lets move on there are more important things to worry about.

Smokey - 6/20/2009 8:24 AM
Perhaps we as citizens simply expect the officials we've elected to office to actually do their job. If politics are involved, you can bet if its not in the "best interest" of their career, they're certainly not going to do anything for what's in the best interest of its Citizens. This "Martin" person who has been identified as an OHP Trooper, dressed anyway in an OHP uniform that stopped the EMT this past week is an absoulte disgrace to all of us. I'm saying this guy should have been arrested and taken into custody immediately when witnessed and observed by the other OHP and County Deputy Sheriff's who were on the scene watching this "brain dead" individual assault the EMT Supervisor, not to mention his interference with an emergency vehicle. Looks like it might have been a cover-up by the OHP had it not been for the local/State and National News Media because of OHP's refusal to release the dash cam video in the patrol car. Whoever tried to cover-up by withholding the video should perhaps also be charged with obstruction of justice, even if it turns out to be Van Guillotte, Chief of the OHP himself. To be in law enforcement and observe and be witness to a felony in progress and simply stand by and do nothing is in itself a crime. We now have yet another "officer" of the law, this time a Stillwater policeman who has now been arrested and charged with the rape by instrumentation (more than once), of a 15 year old school girl. My comment is to everyone who reads this.. If this particular individual is not terminated (talking about Daniel Martin), our society and the citizens of Oklahoma will be concerned everytime they see a law enforcement officer.. for fear the person is a mental case, or a loose cannon. We, as citizens of Oklahoma don't need any immature, inexperienced law enforcement people who have neither the character, intelligence or common sense to serve the public in any capacity. Thank God for Guns, huh Jerry..!! Hey Rambo.. lets go have a Beer..!!

heinze68 - 6/19/2009 8:17 AM
I can't believe that you guys are all bashing the trooper! What about the EMT? He did not care about the trooper or he would have reacted a different way other than giving the trooper the finger. Why did the EMT get out of the back all pissed off to begin with? His intensions from the begining was not to settle the matter in the correct way, he was also mad. It was not all the trooper. I believe the EMT thought he was above the law because he was also in an emergency vechile. Well, it was not to much of an emergency with no lights and sirens. I think the Trooper had every right, it clearly shows that the EMT was resisting and fighting with the trooper. If the EMT cared so much for their person he was transporting why did one of them not stay in the ambulance and care for them and make sure they were staying calm while all of this was going on. I think everyone is being to hard on the trooper. He might not have handled this matter correctly but the EMT really didn't. I put more blame on the EMT.

bunyhed - 6/17/2009 5:40 PM
This police officer was on a power trip. The ambulance driver did not bow to him and it pissed him off, plain and simple. The cop should be put on desk duty. He has no business working the streets if he can't restrain himself enough to keep his hands off a person's neck. UNACCEPTABLE! He had no cause to pull the ambulance driver over in the first place. The ambulance driver was 100 percent right 100 percent of the time and obeyed the law 100 percent of the time. The DA is in the police officers' pockets which is OUTRAGEOUS! Charges should be filed by the paramedic who was assaulted, by the woman who was trying to get medical attention, and by every member of her family who was suffering by worrying about their loved one needing medical attention. I hope the officer loses his job over it. We need police officers who protect and serve, not who assault and whine.

Carlos - 6/17/2009 5:33 PM
"Police say it’s the bad guys, people who they believe are criminal suspects, are ordered out of the car." There you have it.....from the mouths of the police themselves. I guess the paramedic and EMT were dangerous criminal suspects.........yeah right! Face it, Trooper Daniel Martin overstepped his bounds. He stuck his chest out too far this time and it was caught on tape. Worst of all, he let his ego stand in the way of a patient's life and health. Just because the patient didn't die doesn't make Martin's actions acceptable. If Martin is allowed to keep his job, martial law will ensue. The citizens are tired of this behavior. We pay Martin's salary. It's time to reallocate that money! OHP, DO THE RIGHT THING! FIRE DANIEL MARTIN!

ghoos - 6/17/2009 3:59 PM
The officer's foul language alone was enough to call for a stern repromand. No officer should ever use that kind of language to anyone especially on a routine traffic stop. The Paramedic controlled his emotions at all times while on camera and informed the officer that he would surrender himself for arrest after delivering his patient.

kindagreywolf - 6/17/2009 12:40 PM
"Tulsa Police say they try to approach things differently.", Yeah, they make sure cameras are not on them before they pull a stunt like this. I say officer martin had the right to pull the ambulance over. At the point he found out there was a patient, he should have let them go. I do not believe a "Drive by finger" is just cause though.

jd4fox23 - 6/17/2009 11:54 AM
I've been doing some research. On Nov 1, 2000 there was a law enacted to protect assault and battery on emergency care providers. [Section 143 - [HB 1885]http://wyomcases.courts.state.wy.us/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=212913]... Also, Title 47. Motor Vehicles Chapter 11 - Rules of the Road Article Article 4 - Right Of Way addresses emergency vehicles running their lights and sirens: http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=82296. I couldn't find any law that directly addressed when the ambulance and police have an encounter like this one. Police and Ambulances are both emergency vehicles, but they are not created equal. I'm guessing, most people would use common sense when the 2 meet up. The ambulance driver is driving a big box and can't see vehicles directly behind him, let alone hear them, so it makes sense that they would go around the white car first and then pull over because when they moved they could probably see the police behind them at that point. Alot of people don't pull over right away because they don't hear the sirens until the emergency vehicle is practically kissing their bumpers, and they aren't driving big boxes. It just doesn't make good sense to me for any police to pull over an ambulance en route during an emergency. The ambulance had a supervisor riding along, so it also makes sense for the supervisor to intervene and inform the officer they had a patient. Even police have supervisors who intervene when required. So, did the ambulance driver fail to yield? The video showed the ambulance did yield... just not as soon as the officer wanted him to yield. Did the officer commit assault on the ambulance supervisor? I bet this is not going away for a long time! Should there be a law that addresses how emergency departments behave with each other? How about enacting a law that requires people to practice common sense?

stevenjames - 6/17/2009 10:55 AM
The problem started when the white car was braking in front of the amulance, as a retired truck driver, the ambulance driver must have wondered why the white car was stoping,we see in the dash cam the ambulance going around the white car the he aperently notice the highway patrol, we see the ambulance braking and moving over, NO LAWS BROKEN! the trooper moves around the ambulance, later the trooper hunts down the ambulance and pulls him over, THIS TRAFFIC STOP IS UN-JUSFIED!! The trooper had no reason to stop the ambulance! It doesn't matter if it was a ambulance or a truck or a elderly person looking thru the steering wheel, the driver did NOT brake any traffic laws and should never have been delayed or hunted down!! And what training was given to this trooper putting both hands on a persons neck?? and the trooper is now rewarded with a paid vacation! suspention with out pay is to start Mr. Trooper and re-training with anger managmant classes at his own expence. Over the years as a professional driver I seen all types of "Law Enforcment" get away with all kinds of stuff, from parking in a fire zone to have dinner to excessive speed when not on a call, I was pulled over in a private car by ok highway patrol, 51 in a 45 as I was leaving a small town, 55mph was just before me, this fine officer wrote me up for 51 in a 35 mph!very rude and sarcastic, They need to put all cops on a short leach, they all are way above the law! In the 1970's they pulled you over for a reason,not for just something to do, then they cslled you sir and talked to your a person, the above mentioned traffic stop, he had his hand on his gun and had ut partily out of the holster as he walked up to my car! That happened about lunch hour! That cop detained me even longer when I told him I was running late for a appointment! Things have really changed in 35-40 years, cops need to relise that we are citizans, Thank-You for giving us a voice
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